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we live in a reality of phantoms and

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monsters

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they exist among us and sometimes they

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win

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even the devil was an angel once

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the world has its own rules

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and these rules are not

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human some of us seek answers to the

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origin and existence of cryptids in the

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unexplained

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join us as we venture beyond the known

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and accepted boundaries

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welcome to our nightmare

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of phantoms of monsters

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radio where we explore the strange in

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the unexplained

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now tonight

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steve stockton is a veteran outdoorsman

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and paranormal researcher who puts

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together collections of terrifying odd

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and strange encounters

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he also references his own personal

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encounters with the unexplained steve

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studied english language at the

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university of tennessee knoxville and

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lives in portland oregon

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his books include strange things in the

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woods a collection of terrifying tales

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in my strange world

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his most recent series is titled

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national park mysteries and

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disappearances

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and it's a three volume series

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uh from his early years steve has had

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what can be called strange and

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oftentimes frightening experiences

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with the paranormal and unexplained

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these encounters led him to search for

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the answers only to discover the truth

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isn't easy to find

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in his book my strange world is a

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collection of steve's encounters from

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his personal life

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as well as his life as a renowned

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paranormal researcher

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if you like scary stories and take and

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to take a trip down the road of the

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unexplained and bizarre

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then buckle up and get ready to dive

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into strange world of steve stockton so

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steve

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it's been a while so thanks for coming

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on tonight my pleasure a lot always

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happy to be here it's been yeah i've

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been a year and a half two years

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something like that i didn't realize

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it's been that long

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well i mean it's been uh it was before

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and you know it's a strange fascination

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everybody has with that phenomenon

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um of course with

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david pilates writing the

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the missing 4-1-1 series and uh then

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some of the other weird stuff that

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people come up with

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uh occasionally i'll get a story or two

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as well

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but let me ask you what is it

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about national parks

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that you know causes or is uh conducive

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to this type of activity

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yeah well i think the main thing it's

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it's wilderness and a lot of it

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and uh

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it's just it's one of the things that's

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you know there's a lot of visitors

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smokey mountains uh great smoky

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mountains national park even during the

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the lockdown and stuff it had over 12

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million visitors so it's a place where a

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lot of people go and a lot of things can

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go wrong there's natural things that can

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kill you up there you can fall you can

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get attacked by animals but then there's

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you know a dark side to these national

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parks too where people just literally

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go missing without a trace

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and uh there's there's a lot of theories

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you know that something's taking people

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or something

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killers maybe but if

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there are they they're 100 percent

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effective at what they do

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to be able to take somebody and not

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leave any kind of physical or forensic

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evidence

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no eyewitnesses anything like that so

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there's a supernatural element that

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plays into it as well and that's that's

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what fascinates me now there's a lot of

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different theories there's

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of course bigfoot there's aliens uh the

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faithful

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portals uh time slips or glitches a

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little bit of everything

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well you know and i'm familiar with the

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apple each is about more more than any

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other national park for the most part

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and especially with smoky mountain but

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stuff does happen along that and of

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course with the appalachian trail

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running up right across it

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and uh a lot of the weird stuff that

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people see on that trail and experience

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on that trail

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uh it it just seems to be

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a place for a lot of weird things

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happening yeah a lot of places that the

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at passes through like you're saying

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even the towns are a little ways off the

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trail

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cryptids hauntings a little bit of this

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and that it just seems to follow the

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trail and the trail followed it almost

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like uh

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what they have in the great britain with

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the ley lines you know where these

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points kind of line up on a map i found

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that true with the at

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depending on which end you start on it

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runs from

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maine to georgia i've never through

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hiked it i've always wanted to i've

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hiked on it in

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every state that it goes through except

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for maine

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but uh there's some strange places out

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there in the woods and strange things

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happen unexplainable things

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inexplicable however you want to say it

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but it's uh it's an interesting place

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and it's not that much different out

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here since i moved west about 15 years

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i've been on the pacific crest trail

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some of those out here

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run into a lot of the same things

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yosemite even though it gets fewer

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visitors it has more missing people than

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the great smokies is that right yeah i

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didn't realize it

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yosemite's uh the top 10 missing people

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i don't know the exact number but it's

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it's uh quite a bit and then uh i was

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just up on mount rainier

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this past week there's a lot of people i

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think there's currently six

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missing and unaccounted for up there

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some of them been that way for a long

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you know we hear we hear these tales

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about either two people or a couple

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people going together into a national

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park and just doing

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fishing hiking and whatever and all of a

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sudden one of them disappears i mean

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just suddenly

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what is your theory on that well that's

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that's a tough one because literally it

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can be in the blink of an eye there's

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lots of cases where literally people

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were acting together somebody maybe

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turned around to look at something

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turned back the other person's gone no

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trace they didn't hear a scream they

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didn't hear footsteps they didn't hear

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anything they're just simply gone

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and there is uh some similarities of

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people that go missing uh people wearing

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red tend to go missing more often than

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those and you wouldn't you'd think it'd

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be just the opposite you think you know

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you're wearing red people can see that

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it would be hard for you to go missing

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right but uh in some of the more famous

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uh disappearances like dennis martin

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little boy that went missing

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in the smokey's father's day 1969 he had

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on a red jacket

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there's a case i covered up in the

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bennington triangle area

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same girl in a red jacket walked around

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either end of the intelligence spectrum

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phds that type people seem to go missing

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as well as people on the uh autism scale

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tend to go missing as well so it's

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almost like there's a sampling there of

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certain things that if something is

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taking a certain type of people there's

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something that they look for

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and uh

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a lot of times it'll be people that are

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fit and hardy people that are

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used to hiking to do a lot of hiking and

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people that do the

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they run marathons up some of these

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mountains there was a guy that i can't

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remember what mountain it was on off the

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top of my head but ran a marathon up the

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mountain got to the turnaround point

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started back down and they never saw him

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again oh camera glitched out there

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i disappeared for a moment but it's just

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it's there's not any one thing in

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particular it's it's like several

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different things and

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some similarities and then sometimes not

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so it's really hard to

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as a charles fort wrote one measures a

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circle beginning anywhere and that's

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kind of the way this is you can start

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with this and certain things line up and

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you can say oh well it's this and then

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maybe something else well yeah it could

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be that

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or it could be any of those things that

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i mentioned or maybe all of them i don't

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think it's any one particular thing i

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think it's a an assemblage of

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supernatural things

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uh predators both animal and human

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and then just stuff that uh like i said

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aliens or time shifts or glitches so

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that's happened too where people have

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gone missing

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and uh experienced

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like being in a different place like um

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on the trail hiking suddenly there's no

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trail

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that i was just on

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in an unfamiliar place nothing looks

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right nothing looks like it should on a

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sorry i don't know what's going on with

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my camera there

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camera cream's good

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the powers to be you're trying to

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silence me here but um

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i know it's hard to fathom and then

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other people that have gone missing may

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be missing for

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several days when they come back

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they'll think they've only been missing

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only gone for a few hours and then when

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they're found they say well i was gone

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for days because i saw the sun rise and

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set two or three times but in reality in

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our

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timeline they were only gone for uh

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you know

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when you hear some of these accounts

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you'd have the first thing you have to

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think about and of course many people

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think it's bigfoot in

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whatever doing this you know and early

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on i thought that was possibly an

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explanation when this time has gone on

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it it seems to be more out there

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uh as you know getting closer to some

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type of abduction

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uh or portal or something that they're

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they're getting into or they're being

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taken

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uh especially if those who will talk

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about only thinking they've been going

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for a short period of time and been

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going for days yeah uh i mean i don't

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know what you think about that oh yeah

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it comes exactly in line in fact uh i

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spoke at a ufo conference in san

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francisco in march and the presentation

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i gave i tied uh

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people with abduction experiences with

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people that have gone missing and came

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back and there's dovetails there they

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fit they experienced a lot of the same

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things they saw a lot of the same things

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uh the time loss and things like that

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being in a different place or some place

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where the the sun never set or some

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place where it set several times in a

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shorter time span than they had been

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gone so i think there's there's

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something to that theory too that

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it's uh

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very very reminiscent of uh

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abduction experience especially with

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some of the screen memories the things

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that people

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remember that

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like a lot of abductees remember owls

329
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and things like that

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and there are certain birds and animals

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that um

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play into people that go missing in the

333
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woods too and then

334
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there goes my camera again um that

335
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didn't glitch out i heard the noise

336
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though hopefully you can still hear me

337
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even if they can't i hear you see that's

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fine

339
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but um

340
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another one like you hear about little

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kids that go missing and they say oh a

342
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bear took care of me a bear cuddled with

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me and kept me warm and i picked berries

344
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and then you know the authorities and

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they say oh well there's your answer and

346
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it was a bear nothing to see here move

347
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right along well you and i know that

348
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bears don't cuddle kids or berries and

349
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stuff for them so it was some kind of

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big furry creature uh one little boy

351
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even described it as a big hairy doggy

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that took care of him and it walked on

353
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two legs so was it a dog man who knows

354
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you know it's whatever it was it took

355
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care of the kid and

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and got him back safely

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and then you have the the famous uh

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robot grandma story from mount shasta

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where the little boy went missing and

360
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then shows back up later

361
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and then

362
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some time after that several days

363
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he was telling one grandma i said i

364
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don't like the other grandma and she

365
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thought he meant like his maternal

366
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grandma and he said no not that grandma

367
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the the fake grandma that took me in the

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cave on the mountain

369
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and she's like what and he's like you

370
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remember when i was missing and you

371
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couldn't find me he said well grandma

372
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came to me except it wasn't grandma

373
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she took me in a cave

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and uh there were

375
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like weapons and backpacks and skiing

376
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equipment and stuff with the cobwebs and

377
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dust on it and also what it sounded like

378
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he described as people that were in a

379
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state of suspended animation or

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something like that

381
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and then uh this robot grandma as he

382
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called her tried to get him to defecate

383
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on a piece of paper he wouldn't do it

384
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and she said well you're just not

385
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cooperating takes him back somewhere on

386
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the trail puts him down and says wait

387
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here somebody will find you sure enough

388
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they find him and it was in a place

389
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they'd already searched

390
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and um

391
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the grandmother that was supposedly had

392
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a robot version of herself

393
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she started thinking back and prior to

394
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the little boy going missing she had

395
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gone camping on mount shasta i think

396
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like a year previously

397
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and her and the person she was camping

398
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with remember hearing a noise they saw

399
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red eyes

400
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outside their tent the next thing she

401
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knows she's waking up

402
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face down in the mud

403
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and she found a chat puncture wound on

404
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the back of her neck so

405
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did something take part of her blood or

406
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dna or something to make this

407
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clone this robot grandma that looked

408
00:14:35,030 --> 00:14:33,279
like her so there's

409
00:14:37,590 --> 00:14:35,040
all kinds of just wild stuff out there

410
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mount shasta is just a hotbed of it in

411
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fact on the way down to san francisco uh

412
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sandy my uh traveling partner now she's

413
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head writer for my channel we spent a

414
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couple nights uh near mount shasta

415
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uh didn't really experience anything

416
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other than some uh weird flashes of

417
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light way up on the mountain when there

418
00:14:56,550 --> 00:14:54,480
was nothing up there

419
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but it's there's a feeling about it it

420
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feels kind of off and i would notice

421
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that i get this feeling like somebody

422
00:15:04,790 --> 00:15:03,360
was watching me and i turn around and

423
00:15:06,310 --> 00:15:04,800
look and the mountain would be right

424
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there behind me it's like you know

425
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nietzsche when you appear to the abyss

426
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the abyss peers into you i think the

427
00:15:13,910 --> 00:15:11,360
mountain does the same thing it kind of

428
00:15:16,150 --> 00:15:13,920
watches you and sees what you're up to

429
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uh bravehorn that's here in the chat

430
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he's a modoc indian from that area and

431
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uh he shared a lot of cool and

432
00:15:25,030 --> 00:15:22,720
interesting stories and we actually met

433
00:15:26,949 --> 00:15:25,040
him in person up there but there's some

434
00:15:29,910 --> 00:15:26,959
weird stuff on mount shasta everything

435
00:15:32,949 --> 00:15:29,920
from ufos to bigfoot to

436
00:15:34,389 --> 00:15:32,959
disappearances of ascended masters

437
00:15:36,230 --> 00:15:34,399
lemurians

438
00:15:39,189 --> 00:15:36,240
uh there's just a mixed bag there but

439
00:15:40,949 --> 00:15:39,199
it's it's definitely a power spot

440
00:15:43,590 --> 00:15:40,959
yeah i've heard several stories from

441
00:15:46,230 --> 00:15:43,600
from mount shasta and um

442
00:15:48,790 --> 00:15:46,240
it's usually bigfoot or ufos or like

443
00:15:51,350 --> 00:15:48,800
caves opening and closing and

444
00:15:53,030 --> 00:15:51,360
weird stuff like that city of gold

445
00:15:58,310 --> 00:15:53,040
inside the mountain

446
00:15:59,269 --> 00:15:58,320
it's always dry like there's a sun but

447
00:16:01,430 --> 00:15:59,279
it never

448
00:16:02,470 --> 00:16:01,440
completely rises or sets

449
00:16:04,470 --> 00:16:02,480
um

450
00:16:06,470 --> 00:16:04,480
and uh the most interesting bigfoot

451
00:16:09,030 --> 00:16:06,480
stories i've ever heard two of them came

452
00:16:11,430 --> 00:16:09,040
from mount shasta one lady was there

453
00:16:14,790 --> 00:16:11,440
like say in i don't remember the exact

454
00:16:17,590 --> 00:16:14,800
year like we'll say 2000 and she saw

455
00:16:19,509 --> 00:16:17,600
a female bigfoot giving birth on the the

456
00:16:21,670 --> 00:16:19,519
side of the shasta there

457
00:16:24,629 --> 00:16:21,680
and another lady was in the same area a

458
00:16:27,110 --> 00:16:24,639
year later and she saw a female bigfoot

459
00:16:29,110 --> 00:16:27,120
nursing a baby bigfoot so there you go

460
00:16:30,949 --> 00:16:29,120
the lady sees it giving birth another

461
00:16:33,269 --> 00:16:30,959
lady sees it a year later nursing so

462
00:16:35,350 --> 00:16:33,279
that kind of fits together they didn't

463
00:16:36,870 --> 00:16:35,360
know each other the stories were told

464
00:16:39,269 --> 00:16:36,880
separately through different avenues and

465
00:16:40,550 --> 00:16:39,279
then put together by other researchers

466
00:16:42,470 --> 00:16:40,560
but there you go

467
00:16:44,470 --> 00:16:42,480
it's compelling it's very compelling

468
00:16:47,509 --> 00:16:44,480
stuff like that

469
00:16:50,949 --> 00:16:47,519
yeah it's so bizarre so bizarre

470
00:16:53,110 --> 00:16:50,959
do you have an idea the percentages

471
00:16:54,629 --> 00:16:53,120
of people that go missing and don't show

472
00:16:56,550 --> 00:16:54,639
back up

473
00:16:59,110 --> 00:16:56,560
it's it's relatively small a lot of the

474
00:17:01,030 --> 00:16:59,120
people that do go missing they are found

475
00:17:04,470 --> 00:17:01,040
uh sometimes deceased

476
00:17:06,470 --> 00:17:04,480
uh sometimes thankfully alive uh it's

477
00:17:09,590 --> 00:17:06,480
probably less than 10 percent of the

478
00:17:11,829 --> 00:17:09,600
ones that go missing that are never

479
00:17:13,110 --> 00:17:11,839
heard from again or never seen no trace

480
00:17:14,789 --> 00:17:13,120
or anything

481
00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:14,799
uh particularly tends to be children

482
00:17:17,669 --> 00:17:16,079
that are like that although there are a

483
00:17:20,949 --> 00:17:17,679
lot of adults that have gone missing and

484
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no choice has ever been found

485
00:17:24,069 --> 00:17:22,559
interesting

486
00:17:25,669 --> 00:17:24,079
so what uh

487
00:17:27,909 --> 00:17:25,679
what area do you what areas do you

488
00:17:29,350 --> 00:17:27,919
believe have the most activity or that

489
00:17:32,070 --> 00:17:29,360
are kind of

490
00:17:33,830 --> 00:17:32,080
most unexplainable areas

491
00:17:35,350 --> 00:17:33,840
well as as far as the missing itself

492
00:17:36,549 --> 00:17:35,360
definitely yosemite there's something

493
00:17:39,029 --> 00:17:36,559
going on there

494
00:17:41,669 --> 00:17:39,039
uh there's a lot of uh

495
00:17:44,830 --> 00:17:41,679
strange energy excuse me in joshua tree

496
00:17:47,909 --> 00:17:44,840
california oh i know that

497
00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:47,919
uh bill melder the other half of my

498
00:17:52,789 --> 00:17:50,880
youtube channel uh he got lost in um

499
00:17:55,590 --> 00:17:52,799
joshua tree several years ago was in

500
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there for five days and almost died

501
00:18:00,150 --> 00:17:58,160
and he encountered he called them shadow

502
00:18:03,029 --> 00:18:00,160
beings but the way he described it to me

503
00:18:04,549 --> 00:18:03,039
it sounded like grays like alien grays

504
00:18:06,470 --> 00:18:04,559
these figures that would come up to him

505
00:18:07,909 --> 00:18:06,480
and kind of peer at him and then when he

506
00:18:09,190 --> 00:18:07,919
moved or looked at him they would skid

507
00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:09,200
her away and then

508
00:18:13,110 --> 00:18:10,880
then come back later he called him

509
00:18:15,029 --> 00:18:13,120
shadow man or shadow people but to me it

510
00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:15,039
sounded like the typical alien grace of

511
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the big heads and the big eyes and the

512
00:18:22,150 --> 00:18:19,760
the small bodies and the spindly arms

513
00:18:23,510 --> 00:18:22,160
and legs but uh definitely joshua tree

514
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like i said um

515
00:18:29,590 --> 00:18:27,280
mount shasta and that whole area there

516
00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:29,600
mccall and um

517
00:18:33,750 --> 00:18:31,440
trying to remember there's there's some

518
00:18:36,150 --> 00:18:33,760
falls there that have a lot of activity

519
00:18:38,789 --> 00:18:36,160
uh crater lake oregon is another place a

520
00:18:41,110 --> 00:18:38,799
lot of springs that goes on there just a

521
00:18:42,789 --> 00:18:41,120
feeling about it um

522
00:18:45,190 --> 00:18:42,799
out here close to where i'm at i'm in st

523
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helens oregon and that's so named

524
00:18:48,470 --> 00:18:47,360
because you can see mount st helens

525
00:18:50,710 --> 00:18:48,480
washington

526
00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:50,720
of the way there's a lot of stuff up on

527
00:18:54,310 --> 00:18:52,320
mount st helens

528
00:18:57,830 --> 00:18:54,320
uh the ape caves are up there famous

529
00:18:59,350 --> 00:18:57,840
case of the uh miners back in the 1920s

530
00:19:00,150 --> 00:18:59,360
that were attacked

531
00:19:01,590 --> 00:19:00,160
yeah

532
00:19:04,390 --> 00:19:01,600
canyon attack

533
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:04,400
where they were besieged by several

534
00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:11,830
a lot of weird stuff there and then uh

535
00:19:16,630 --> 00:19:14,080
olympic national park also in washington

536
00:19:18,310 --> 00:19:16,640
that has a lot of missing people mount

537
00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:18,320
rainier or i just was like i think

538
00:19:21,909 --> 00:19:20,000
there's at least six that are currently

539
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:21,919
missing from there

540
00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:23,520
and uh it seems to

541
00:19:26,630 --> 00:19:25,760
be prevalent on both coasts but not that

542
00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:26,640
much

543
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:28,960
in the middle of the country which is

544
00:19:32,310 --> 00:19:31,280
kind of strange you think now there is

545
00:19:33,909 --> 00:19:32,320
some

546
00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:33,919
missing people like in the great lakes

547
00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:35,600
area but that's more

548
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:37,200
like human trafficking things there's a

549
00:19:41,029 --> 00:19:39,039
lot of that that goes on that's a new

550
00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:41,039
series we started about

551
00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:42,640
the missing and murdered indigenous

552
00:19:45,510 --> 00:19:43,520
women

553
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and that i don't think there's anything

554
00:19:49,990 --> 00:19:48,240
supernatural about that at all yeah dave

555
00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:50,000
scott has talked about that with me a

556
00:19:55,270 --> 00:19:52,480
lot about the uh the highway of tears up

557
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:55,280
there in british columbia and uh all the

558
00:20:00,950 --> 00:19:57,120
indigenous women that apparently have

559
00:20:03,430 --> 00:20:01,830
yeah

560
00:20:06,070 --> 00:20:03,440
and at the time in the chat there about

561
00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:06,080
me giving credit today politis uh if i

562
00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:07,679
used his materials i would certainly

563
00:20:12,789 --> 00:20:09,840
give him credit i've never used any of

564
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:12,799
dave's material i get my stuff the same

565
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:14,640
place he gets his police reports news

566
00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:17,280
reports talk to the families i mean we

567
00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:19,120
may report on some of the same stories

568
00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:20,960
but that's that's his information his

569
00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:23,200
research i do my own research and always

570
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:25,520
have i cover a lot of cases that dave

571
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:28,159
doesn't just because they don't fit into

572
00:20:32,630 --> 00:20:30,559
his 411 framework and i understand that

573
00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:32,640
that's right that's his thing that's

574
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:34,080
what he wants to do so there's certain

575
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:36,000
cases that he won't cover

576
00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:38,640
which i'll cover any missing case so all

577
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:39,679
right

578
00:20:43,990 --> 00:20:41,520
i've got a question here from tommy

579
00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:44,000
cooper that asks what delineates

580
00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:46,720
supernatural from natural

581
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:48,720
well again that's that's perception i

582
00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:51,280
mean it depending on what you believe

583
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:53,600
if uh say you're a christian and you

584
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:55,520
believe in the bible everything that we

585
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:57,840
consider natural was spoken forth out of

586
00:21:02,950 --> 00:21:00,720
the supernatural so there you go and god

587
00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:02,960
said you know there was so there's

588
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:04,159
different ways to look at that i

589
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:06,080
consider the supernatural or the preet

590
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:08,400
or natural anything that's outside of

591
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:10,720
the normal human experience usually

592
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:13,200
things with irreproducible results you

593
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:14,880
know if it's if it was a science you

594
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:16,400
could get it to do the same thing every

595
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:18,640
time get the same results but with the

596
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:20,159
supernatural

597
00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:21,679
and that sort of thing there's things

598
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:24,000
that happen maybe only one time

599
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:25,200
and those are some of the most

600
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:27,120
fascinating especially with the cryptids

601
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:29,440
and the monsters and things the ones

602
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:31,840
that the one-offs like the dover demon

603
00:21:34,390 --> 00:21:32,640
or

604
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:34,400
that was seen i think a couple of nights

605
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:35,600
in a row

606
00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:37,840
by uh four or five different people but

607
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:39,760
then it was never seen again

608
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:42,080
that's the stories i love and

609
00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:42,880
uh

610
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:45,039
there goes my camera again i'm i'm more

611
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:46,159
of a

612
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:48,480
storyteller and a legend tripper i'm not

613
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:50,320
i don't do a lot of hardcore research

614
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:52,480
now i do on the missing person cases

615
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:55,280
i have to in that uh but as far as the

616
00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:57,840
cryptids and the supernatural stuff i

617
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:59,360
like to just go to these areas where

618
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:00,960
stuff's happening and i don't expect

619
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:03,039
anything to happen i just like to go

620
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:04,400
there and know that you know this is

621
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:07,600
where uh the mothman appeared in uh west

622
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:09,120
virginia or

623
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:11,280
this is from the dover demon i've been

624
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:14,000
up there to that area and again you know

625
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:15,360
didn't see a thing didn't experience

626
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:17,760
anything i did meet one of the original

627
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:21,200
witnesses to the dover demon and just uh

628
00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:22,960
he seemed almost embarrassed to talk

629
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:24,840
about it so

630
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:27,360
um yeah

631
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:30,400
yeah well yeah you probably have you

632
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:32,640
encountered the same thing with with uh

633
00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:35,039
witnesses as i do uh sometimes it's like

634
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:37,280
pulling teeth but many times

635
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:39,760
they will uh they will come forward and

636
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:42,240
i think it's gotten easier nowadays for

637
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:44,480
because of the internet and tv and it's

638
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:46,320
definitely more accepted than it used to

639
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:48,799
be a lot of the stories and uh strange

640
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:51,360
things in the woods those date back to

641
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:53,360
like my childhood my teenage years to

642
00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:55,440
friends of the family just about

643
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:57,440
everybody in there that i have stories

644
00:23:01,750 --> 00:22:59,679
from are passed away now and that was

645
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:01,760
kind of the impetus for doing that

646
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,240
because i thought as i had

647
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:06,559
an epiphany my grandmother's funeral

648
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:07,679
just i was looking over there in the

649
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:09,600
coffin i thought of every story every

650
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:11,360
legend she was a

651
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:12,960
in appalachia what they call a granny

652
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:14,400
witch

653
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:17,600
gypsy part came from because i've got it

654
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:20,480
in my family too so

655
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:22,159
i thought you know every because she

656
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:24,400
told fortunes and read uh

657
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:26,000
playing cards she wouldn't touch tarot

658
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:29,520
cards she said they were too dark uh

659
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:31,200
tea leaves coffee grounds animal

660
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:33,280
entrails all this weird stuff

661
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:34,720
and i thought you know every story every

662
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:36,559
legend every superstition everything she

663
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:37,760
ever told me

664
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:39,280
it's all right there with her and

665
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:40,960
that'll be the end of it and i thought

666
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:42,320
you know i'm not gonna let that happen

667
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,159
i'm gonna write these stories and karen

668
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:46,559
so i started cataloging stuff

669
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:47,919
and uh yeah a lot of people were

670
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:50,799
reticent to talk about it especially

671
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:51,840
if they thought you were going to make

672
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:53,520
fun of them or think they were crazy or

673
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:54,799
something but then once you got them

674
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:57,279
talking and they saw that you had a

675
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:58,960
genuine interest

676
00:24:01,590 --> 00:24:00,159
sometimes it was still you know you had

677
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:01,600
to drag it out of them with a log chain

678
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:04,320
but but most of them were

679
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:06,240
more apt to talk like they had one old

680
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:08,799
gentleman otto darrow he was a

681
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:11,120
first generation irish immigrant his

682
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:13,120
family had immigrated over from ireland

683
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:14,559
they lived over on the cumberland

684
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:17,200
plateau in

685
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:19,200
uh middle tennessee near the jamestown

686
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:20,880
area like miles and miles and miles back

687
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:23,039
in the woods where he grew up

688
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:25,600
and he had just some amazing stories but

689
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:27,760
he wouldn't let me record him i

690
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:28,799
said you know

691
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:30,080
can i come and talk to you and get some

692
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:32,080
of your stories yeah come on i took a

693
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:33,679
little this is a long time ago a little

694
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:35,039
reel-to-reel

695
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:37,440
recorder a little tiny one and he like

696
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:38,720
nope nope

697
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:39,919
you ain't recording me he said you can

698
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:41,679
take all the notes you want but i don't

699
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:43,440
want you to record my voice that's like

700
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:46,400
damn so i had to take notes seriously

701
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,159
because he talked a lot and

702
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:50,799
had a real uh hillbilly accent and i

703
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:53,600
even had to get my dad to uh translate

704
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:55,520
later some of the stuff he had said i

705
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:57,679
didn't my dad grew up in that area so

706
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:01,039
they have their own uh

707
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:02,880
lingo over there almost their own

708
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:04,000
dialect

709
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:05,840
and it's it's based a lot of it's based

710
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:07,760
on the old english and stuff but it can

711
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:10,240
be hard to understand sometimes that's

712
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:12,960
interesting because i've talked to

713
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:15,679
several pennsylvania dutch and amish

714
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:18,320
people over the years and uh they're the

715
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:20,480
same way i mean

716
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:21,840
they don't they don't really want you

717
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:23,360
even writing any notes and they don't

718
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:25,600
want you to watch

719
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,000
and uh you know and i i had promised

720
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:30,799
them i wouldn't you know say a lot of

721
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:32,960
but i have had a few tell me if you

722
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:34,720
yeah i've been allowed to because i've

723
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:36,240
wondered about that before i bet they

724
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:38,000
have some amazing

725
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:40,320
supernatural encounters encrypted and

726
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:42,320
ghost stories and things like that you

727
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:44,240
know that happens to them but for the

728
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:46,720
most part they because of their beliefs

729
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,880
they they just will not

730
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:50,400
you know they just will say it's

731
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:51,919
something else

732
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:53,679
it's something they shouldn't have seen

733
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:55,760
or you know it doesn't conform to their

734
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:56,960
beliefs and

735
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:59,200
they'll just stay away with it but

736
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,720
you know i have been able to get a few

737
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:02,880
stories out of folks yeah and you run

738
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:05,120
into that in appalachia anything that

739
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:07,760
you can't explain or anything that seems

740
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:08,960
out of the ordinary it's it's

741
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:11,600
automatically of the devil it's satanic

742
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:12,400
you know

743
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:14,000
that wasn't a ghost you saw it was a

744
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:16,159
demon you know and then you run into

745
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,840
that life particularly

746
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:19,679
in parts of the south

747
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:22,240
uh david jones locker asks what's the

748
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,200
most scariest encounter or supernatural

749
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:27,120
event

750
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:28,080
wow

751
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:29,679
i've had three that where i was

752
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:30,880
genuinely

753
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:33,120
scared out of my wits well you got you

754
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:35,840
got the floor so go ahead if you want to

755
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:37,919
tell us i'd appreciate it the most

756
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:39,919
scariest encounter would would take too

757
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:42,080
long to tell the whole thing and tell it

758
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:44,400
properly but back in the 90s i had an

759
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:46,799
encounter with two black-eyed children

760
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:49,600
yeah right i've got there's a version of

761
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:51,440
that on a channel here on youtube called

762
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:54,480
unicorps tales like unicorn except

763
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:57,279
corpse unicorps tales uh tanya the girl

764
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:58,799
that has that channel she interviewed me

765
00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:00,640
and it's seems like it's about a half

766
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:02,240
hour long or so

767
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:04,159
but that one i don't think i'll ever

768
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:06,400
write about that one because just the

769
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:09,200
the irrational fear that i experienced i

770
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:10,720
don't think my writing would ever be

771
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:12,640
good enough to capture it and even when

772
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:15,279
i tell it you can tell i get my hands

773
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:17,200
swept i get a

774
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:19,679
waiver in my voice and stuff but that

775
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:21,840
was the most frightening the really the

776
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:23,520
least frightening is two little girls in

777
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:25,600
a parking lot at two o'clock in the

778
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:26,559
morning

779
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:29,919
um i was uh moonlighting as a

780
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:31,760
hired gun like a network engineer and i

781
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:35,039
was rewiring of place for a cat5 cable

782
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:35,840
huh

783
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:37,120
they were going from the old dumb

784
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:39,279
terminals up to the actual pc at

785
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:41,520
everybody's desk so i'd go in after they

786
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:43,200
were finished for their day it was a

787
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:44,880
medical office

788
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:47,120
and uh then i'd stayed old midnight or

789
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:48,559
after sometimes

790
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:50,480
running this network so across three

791
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,760
different floors

792
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:53,279
and i was coming out there was almost

793
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:56,799
finished with that particular job

794
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:59,200
contract thing and uh coming out about

795
00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:00,720
two o'clock in the morning and i came

796
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:02,320
out and on the far end of the parking

797
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:04,080
lot this is an industrial area there's

798
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:05,679
nothing around there

799
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:08,320
two little girls sitting on the curb

800
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:10,159
and i thought well that's kind of weird

801
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:12,320
so i'm putting my stuff in my car had a

802
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:14,799
little mazda miata at the time

803
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:16,960
trunk wasn't much bigger than a glove

804
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:19,440
box on some cars so i'm like playing

805
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:20,960
tetris and trying to get all my network

806
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:23,360
stuff on the cable spool and this and

807
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:25,039
they're already had stuff in the front

808
00:28:27,909 --> 00:28:25,840
seat

809
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,919
and like every time i glance over

810
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:29,760
the first time they had stood up

811
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:30,960
the next time i looked there a little

812
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:33,279
closer i never actually saw them move

813
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:34,720
but every time i looked over they were a

814
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:37,120
little closer and when they got close

815
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:39,279
enough that i could hear the shorter one

816
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:40,960
which i'm assuming was the younger one

817
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:42,159
they probably

818
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:44,000
the older one i mean the taller one i'm

819
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:45,360
guessing was maybe

820
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:47,360
12 13 and then the shorter one i would

821
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:49,279
say about the size of a nine or ten year

822
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:50,080
old

823
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:51,760
they're wearing dark clothes like very

824
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:52,880
plain like

825
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:54,399
black jeans and

826
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:56,080
dark colored hoodies

827
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,480
and uh the the taller the two what i

828
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:00,720
said i believe was the older one

829
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:04,000
she was talking nonstop and it was like

830
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,200
not to me but about me to the other one

831
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:09,200
oh he'll he'll let us in he'll take us

832
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:11,360
in his car he won't leave us out here

833
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:13,360
it's cold it's dark it was dark but it

834
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:15,120
wasn't cold it was in the summertime and

835
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:16,640
just the same thing over and over she

836
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:18,000
kept just saying the same thing he won't

837
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:19,840
leave us here he'll invite us in he has

838
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:22,240
to let us in he can't leave us here

839
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:25,279
and uh but she never addressed me but by

840
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:27,840
the time they got up close to the car

841
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:29,600
i saw because i was under a street light

842
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:31,840
there they didn't have any eyes it was

843
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:34,080
black in there and i'm just like holy

844
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:36,480
god never heard of such a thing before

845
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:40,240
uh and it was just it scared the crap as

846
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:40,960
a

847
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:00,000
kind of projection of

848
00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:02,799
i it felt demonic to me that truly did

849
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:04,000
and uh

850
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:05,919
i finally got in i got my car started

851
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:07,039
and they were right up to where they

852
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:08,080
could have

853
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:09,679
jumped in the car because i had the top

854
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:10,640
down

855
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:12,960
and instead of driving out normally i

856
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,320
went down through the lawn of the place

857
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:16,720
jumped the curb

858
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:19,120
had a girlfriend that i stayed with

859
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,960
sometimes when i worked late because she

860
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,880
lived close to my regular

861
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:24,480
nine to five gig

862
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:26,320
and uh that night even though i had to

863
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:27,679
be at work the next morning instead of

864
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:28,960
going to her house which is only a

865
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,960
couple miles away turned the other way

866
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:32,880
tore down pellissippi parkway there in

867
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:35,120
west knoxville and i'm doing like 100

868
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:37,360
miles an hour in this little miata

869
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:39,200
and i kept looking in my rearview mirror

870
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:41,200
not for the cops but i had this

871
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:43,600
irrational thought that i'm going to

872
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:44,799
look back and those little girls are

873
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:46,080
going to be like hanging on the back of

874
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,159
the car or i'd look over and they'd just

875
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,480
be in the seat or some just you know

876
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:52,559
stuff that didn't make any sense

877
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:54,320
drove all the way to my parents house in

878
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:56,320
oak ridge which was

879
00:31:01,750 --> 00:30:59,519
oh good 20 25 miles away got to their

880
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:01,760
house went uh in the driveway pulled

881
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:03,440
around back and parked under a tree

882
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:05,120
which i'd never done

883
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:07,120
uh let myself in they were

884
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:09,519
long asleep and i stayed up the rest of

885
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:11,200
the night like going peering out the

886
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:13,440
windows and looking out the kitchen door

887
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:15,200
like these two little girls are just

888
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:18,480
gonna show up and they never did

889
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:20,399
of course and i ended up

890
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:22,080
once it was daylight then i called in

891
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:24,399
sick to my other gig and then

892
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:26,159
slept what i could but it was

893
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:27,679
frightening i still

894
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:29,919
said even when i tell it

895
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:31,440
uh it

896
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:34,000
it's like almost a ptsd type thing i

897
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:36,080
relive it in my mind

898
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:37,519
and it's it's gotten easy to tell i

899
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:39,039
wouldn't even talk about it for a long

900
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:40,000
time

901
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:41,279
and yeah because i've never heard it

902
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:44,240
before no and part of that was the fear

903
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:45,279
that

904
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:47,039
i'm part cherokee and a lot of the

905
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:49,600
others will caution you against just by

906
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:51,440
talking or even thinking about certain

907
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:53,600
things you can draw it to you

908
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:55,840
so i was like you know i certainly don't

909
00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:58,000
want these things to show back up

910
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:59,120
but uh

911
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:00,640
the first time i talked about it was on

912
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:03,360
the old art bell show and uh art was

913
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:05,200
sick that night and heather wade was

914
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:06,720
sitting in for him

915
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:08,240
and it was great though he called in

916
00:32:11,669 --> 00:32:09,679
during the commercial breaks to tell her

917
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:11,679
what a good job she was doing and he

918
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:13,679
said hey steve i like that story i just

919
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:15,279
said wow i talked to heart bell you know

920
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,399
because he's a legend but uh that night

921
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:20,559
after i was done with that show

922
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:22,640
there was in the house i was living at

923
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:24,880
the time i had uh

924
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:27,600
perimeter alarms i had motion lights all

925
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:28,720
this stuff

926
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:30,559
none of that tripped off but there was a

927
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:33,279
knock at the front door bang bang bang

928
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:35,039
and then i heard what sounded like a

929
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:36,720
scream that came

930
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:38,159
into the house went all the way through

931
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:40,000
the house and out the back

932
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:41,440
at first i thought something happened to

933
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:42,480
my daughter

934
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:44,399
i ran flung her door open turned the

935
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:46,000
light on she's in the bed of sleep and

936
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:48,080
i'm like are you okay and she's like

937
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:51,120
yeah why i said did you hear that scream

938
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:53,279
and she said no but i told you don't

939
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:57,360
talk about those damn black-eyed kids

940
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:59,519
and other times i had just some minor

941
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:01,919
things like that happen uh

942
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,120
somebody else told me they were

943
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:05,120
listening and uh they had their i think

944
00:33:08,830 --> 00:33:06,880
some paintings fell off the wall that

945
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:08,840
happened at my house i had

946
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,840
some glass things that shattered just on

947
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:13,279
their own so

948
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,880
but i don't think i'll ever write that

949
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:16,399
one like i said i just don't think i

950
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:17,519
could

951
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:19,519
get capture the emotion that comes

952
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:21,120
across when i tell it but that's the

953
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:23,120
most frightening encounter that i've

954
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:24,880
ever had and like i said the one that

955
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:26,080
should be the least frightening it's

956
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:28,240
just a couple of kids in a parking lot

957
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:30,000
wow o'clock in the morning but it was

958
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:32,080
the circumstances and whatever was

959
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:33,760
coming off them was coming off them in

960
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:35,519
waves and that's what was scaring me you

961
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:36,960
know when i talked to

962
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:39,519
experiencers of black eyed kids it's

963
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:42,080
palpable born to talk about it

964
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:43,760
as opposed to even somebody who sees a

965
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:46,960
bigfoot a distance or something

966
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:48,960
you know these things are concentrated

967
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:50,159
on them

968
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:51,679
they're talking to them for the most

969
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:52,960
part

970
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:55,200
and uh

971
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,679
yeah i um

972
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:59,440
i i you know what do you think it is do

973
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:01,200
you think it's a possession thing or

974
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:03,279
what you know i i've never really been

975
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:06,640
able to pinpoint or pinned down what i

976
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:08,960
think it's either a possession thing or

977
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:11,520
almost like uh some sort of demonic

978
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:13,119
shape shifter i think that anything

979
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:15,200
that's evil like that it could appear to

980
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:17,679
you in any number of ways

981
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:19,359
and uh if you look at people that have

982
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:20,560
experienced

983
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:21,839
stuff like that i mean starting with the

984
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:24,320
men in black they wear nice clothes they

985
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:26,480
drive nice new cars but then they're

986
00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:27,599
they're kind of messed up they've got

987
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:29,359
these odd speech patterns their skin

988
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:30,639
looks strange

989
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:32,560
and it's like whatever sent that out so

990
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:35,359
okay well that didn't work uh let's send

991
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:36,079
uh

992
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,399
phantom clowns everybody loves clowns

993
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:40,240
but then it's these weird creepy clowns

994
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:41,440
that come out of the woods and chase

995
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:43,440
people nobody loved them and then it's

996
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:45,679
like well well damn it what about kids

997
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:47,440
everybody loves kids we'll send kids out

998
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:50,079
to to try to get into people's places

999
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:51,679
and stuff but then it's these creepy

1000
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:53,839
kids with black eyes that talk in this

1001
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:56,800
weird monotone and yeah that would creep

1002
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:59,280
anybody out i would think you know

1003
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:01,119
and the only story i've ever heard of

1004
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:03,119
somebody that let them in

1005
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:05,119
shortly after that her husband died of

1006
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:06,880
something really strange like a cancer

1007
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:09,359
or blood disease and then last i'd heard

1008
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:12,960
she was sick with some strange melody

1009
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:13,920
so

1010
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:14,720
i

1011
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:45,200
years old they would be adults now so

1012
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:46,800
are the black-eyed adults is that

1013
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:48,560
black-eyed kids that grew up or are they

1014
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:50,000
just a separate

1015
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,640
entity it's a good question i mean you

1016
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:54,480
know i i have had reports of these

1017
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,960
adults that have black eyes too and

1018
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,640
you know many people ask me well i've

1019
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:00,720
heard of black eyed kids are those just

1020
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:03,040
you grown up black guy kid i don't know

1021
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:05,200
i mean if it's a possession thing it

1022
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,880
maybe not i mean never even heard of

1023
00:36:11,829 --> 00:36:08,400
black eyed babies

1024
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:11,839
uh all that with these kind of

1025
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:14,160
yeah and you know i

1026
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:16,079
i i had an encounter somebody had an

1027
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:18,240
encounter in kansas

1028
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:22,000
in this uh in his furniture store

1029
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:23,520
and uh

1030
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:26,640
this woman walked in with these babies

1031
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,880
and she set them down on one of the beds

1032
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:30,720
in the furniture store and took off and

1033
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:32,320
when they went to they started hearing

1034
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:33,520
the crying

1035
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:36,720
and these babies had black eyes oh man i

1036
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:38,800
gotta chill when you're describing that

1037
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:41,599
there yeah so uh i don't know what the

1038
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:44,640
deal is there but uh i don't know it

1039
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,560
just to me it and i have a christian

1040
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:48,480
background my brother was a

1041
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:50,720
evangelical preacher to me it felt very

1042
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:52,960
demonic and he had a deliverance

1043
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:54,720
minister he would you know go places and

1044
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:56,960
then cast demons out of people

1045
00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:58,960
and just some of the stories i've heard

1046
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:01,680
him telling stuff the just the feeling

1047
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:03,440
that that has when there's stuff like

1048
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,240
that going on the extremely

1049
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:08,400
bizarre supernatural stuff that he

1050
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:11,119
termed demonic that was quite i felt

1051
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:12,720
whatever it was that was coming off him

1052
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:14,079
there was nothing nice about it there

1053
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:15,599
was nothing

1054
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:17,839
loving or friendly or anything about it

1055
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:18,720
like

1056
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:20,720
it was just just pure evil that's that's

1057
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:22,400
about the only way i can describe it and

1058
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:24,160
it's just two two little girls there was

1059
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:26,240
nothing frightening about them or their

1060
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:29,119
parents other than the black guys

1061
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:30,320
you know it's interesting your

1062
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:31,359
background

1063
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:33,440
kind of parallels mine to some degree i

1064
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:36,880
you know my fa one part of my family uh

1065
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:38,720
lived in western

1066
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:41,440
north carolina and uh in fact my great

1067
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:43,119
grandmother was born and raised in

1068
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:44,240
cherokee

1069
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:50,400
they a lot of family stayed there

1070
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:53,599
uh and they were they were uh

1071
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:55,599
uh raised and raised their families near

1072
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:57,440
rhone mountain in that area up and there

1073
00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:58,720
i've been up to the road mountain

1074
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:02,160
fireball and uh oh that's a wild place

1075
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:04,960
it is i've been up there before and uh

1076
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:06,960
i've got a friend that lives up in that

1077
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:09,119
area and he promised me that if i'd come

1078
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:11,280
up there he would take me to a cave that

1079
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:14,160
had spiders as big as house cats

1080
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:16,079
that the body of the spider was as big

1081
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:17,680
as a cat plus you know the legs and

1082
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,200
everything and i'm like

1083
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,520
if that's true you couldn't get me near

1084
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:24,000
a spider as big as that i like spiders

1085
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:26,720
anyway yeah one as big as a cat could

1086
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:28,480
could probably catch you

1087
00:38:32,069 --> 00:38:30,320
but he he claimed that in the webs and

1088
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:32,079
stuff he'd seen him like take good-sized

1089
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:34,240
birds and stuff yeah and that's

1090
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:36,480
supposedly up on roan mountain uh near

1091
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:39,119
there you've got uh fiddler's rock yeah

1092
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:41,119
and then of course the fireball there

1093
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:44,079
and then not too far over there

1094
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,320
uh we got a lot of weird stuff around

1095
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:48,640
boone and you've got the uh

1096
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:50,320
the brown mountain lights and i've seen

1097
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:52,160
those several times that's some of the

1098
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:54,160
strangest phenomena i've ever

1099
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:55,599
encountered and

1100
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,280
on several different occasions i used to

1101
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,440
live in mountain city tennessee for a

1102
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:01,680
short time so just a hop skip and a jump

1103
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:03,440
over to rhonda mountain or over to boone

1104
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:04,400
or

1105
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:06,000
that area that was basically if you

1106
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:07,680
wanted to do any shopping you had to go

1107
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:09,520
to johnson city tennessee or boone north

1108
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:11,280
carolina or

1109
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:13,119
the other direction abington virginia

1110
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:15,119
that whole area there it's just

1111
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:17,200
kind of a little little hotbed of

1112
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:19,520
strange encounters i've heard some weird

1113
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:21,200
stories i mean you know

1114
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:22,800
back then when the 60s when i was

1115
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,640
growing up you know they weren't talking

1116
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:26,400
about bigfoot but they were talking

1117
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,680
about wild man and uh you know

1118
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:31,920
pete you know my uncle my uncle had a

1119
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:33,599
still up on the mountain

1120
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:35,040
and uh

1121
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:37,040
the wild man would come there and bust

1122
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:38,400
open the still

1123
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:39,680
and you know they didn't like him being

1124
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:42,240
around there so uh yeah i mean i heard a

1125
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:43,680
lot of stories about they were here i

1126
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:45,520
heard those stories about my grandmother

1127
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:46,960
my paternal grandmother they lived in

1128
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:48,560
cades cove when they came over from

1129
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:50,720
england and that's where they landed so

1130
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:52,240
it's very similar to what you're

1131
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:53,920
describing there western north carolina

1132
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:54,960
because the

1133
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:56,960
great smokies national park pretty much

1134
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:57,839
sits

1135
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:59,520
on the border between north carolina

1136
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,800
east tennessee and western north

1137
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:03,119
carolina but they would talk about uh

1138
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:05,920
wild men like feral people that lived

1139
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:07,920
out in the woods i don't know if it was

1140
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:08,800
actual

1141
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:11,040
people that just lived off-grid and you

1142
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:12,720
know didn't want anything to do with

1143
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:14,800
anybody or if it i've even heard it

1144
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:17,440
described as some kind of a hybrid

1145
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:19,359
like maybe uh

1146
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:22,720
there's a guy on youtube south force 10

1147
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:24,640
that claims they're like a hybrid of

1148
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:27,040
human and bigfoot to live up there and

1149
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:29,119
that some of his relatives were hired

1150
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:31,280
prior to the national park

1151
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:34,480
i think it went in and i won't say 34 36

1152
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:36,640
prior to that some the government hired

1153
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:38,240
some of his relatives to go in and hunt

1154
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:39,599
these things

1155
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:41,920
and and kind of uh

1156
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:43,200
thin them out

1157
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:45,040
but he claims that that's one of the

1158
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:46,319
reasons that the national park

1159
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:48,880
boundaries is where they are to contain

1160
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:50,880
whatever these creatures are

1161
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:52,560
and supposedly they have a taste for

1162
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:54,079
human flesh

1163
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:55,839
and he claims that they're responsible

1164
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:57,680
for the disappearance of dennis martin

1165
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:59,280
and they hate him now that's not my

1166
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:01,520
story south force 10

1167
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:03,440
go talk to him if you talk you know i've

1168
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:06,000
heard something i have heard simbler

1169
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:08,960
yeah i just posted a story yesterday and

1170
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:11,119
i i've had it for a while but i reposted

1171
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:12,240
about uh

1172
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:15,200
a supposed us special forces team going

1173
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:17,200
in there and heading out

1174
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:19,920
uh killer bigfoot group and actually the

1175
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:22,319
area was in greece smoky mountain so

1176
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:24,240
yeah i don't know how true that is but

1177
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:25,760
you hear a lot of weird stuff up there

1178
00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:27,040
yeah that was kind of the thing with the

1179
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:29,839
dennis martin case yeah the green berets

1180
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:31,280
showed up to look for well the green

1181
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:32,880
berets don't show up for missing

1182
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:35,839
children now the official story is that

1183
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:37,280
they were in the area doing some kind of

1184
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:40,400
exercise and they joined in but yeah

1185
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:43,040
maybe and the fbi was there right away

1186
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:44,400
and the uh

1187
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,079
the field agent now the knoxville office

1188
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:48,960
that was over the dennis martin case uh

1189
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:51,200
opted himself out a very spectacular

1190
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:53,760
fashion in a nightclub on kingston pike

1191
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:55,520
there in knoxville

1192
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:57,440
uh went out in the middle of a dance

1193
00:42:02,230 --> 00:42:00,640
crowded dance floor and uh kaboom

1194
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:02,240
so you know what did he know what had he

1195
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:05,119
seen about that case that disturbed him

1196
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:06,560
and uh

1197
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:08,640
i don't know never got any real answers

1198
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:10,640
that never found anything any trace of

1199
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:11,599
anything

1200
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:14,079
you know there was the the key family

1201
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,319
saw what they described as a hairy

1202
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,480
rugged man running up a

1203
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:20,400
a hollow there a holler as they called

1204
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:21,599
it was something

1205
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,119
red over his shoulder well dennis was

1206
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:25,280
wearing a red jacket when he disappeared

1207
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:27,119
and they had heard a scream prior to

1208
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:28,480
that so

1209
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:31,280
but again was it just somebody like

1210
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:33,680
cannibal hillbilly or was it a a bigfoot

1211
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:35,920
type creature or a hybrid or

1212
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:37,200
who knows

1213
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:39,280
you know yeah there's that whole that

1214
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:41,839
whole story that whole thing is creepy

1215
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:44,720
um i mean your wine your mind wanders

1216
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:46,319
and goes into a lot of different places

1217
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:47,520
it really shouldn't do when you start

1218
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:48,960
hearing that story

1219
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:51,520
and uh yeah it does seem strange that

1220
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:53,119
kid just suddenly disappeared the way it

1221
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:55,040
did so um

1222
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:56,640
interesting uh

1223
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:00,240
yeah somebody asked about the these uh

1224
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:02,240
these pale humanoids and of course i

1225
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:03,839
wrote a book about it recently about

1226
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,480
this pale humanoid for crawler phenomena

1227
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:08,400
yeah have you been here much about that

1228
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,640
i i'm hearing more and more and it's one

1229
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:12,480
of those things that

1230
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:14,640
supposedly maybe it started out as a

1231
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:16,400
meme or a creepypasta

1232
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:18,880
but then people actually started singing

1233
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:19,839
and that's

1234
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:21,680
happened with other stuff i mean

1235
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:23,760
slenderman and things like that it was

1236
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:26,160
just a made-up story then people started

1237
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:27,520
seeing it and then there was the two

1238
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:28,800
little girls that were going to kill

1239
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:30,480
another little girl going to sacrifice

1240
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:32,880
her to to slender man because he

1241
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:35,359
commanded it you know so there's again

1242
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:37,680
you go back to like the the native idea

1243
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,560
the tulpa that if you

1244
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:42,480
think about something enough it's a

1245
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:44,560
thought form you can create things and

1246
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:45,920
there's been

1247
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:47,760
cases where that that supposedly

1248
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:50,000
happened i know uh yeah the university

1249
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:51,440
of north carolina they had one of the

1250
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:54,800
first if not the first uh parapsychology

1251
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:57,119
study departments in the in the country

1252
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:58,800
at the university level they were rhyme

1253
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:01,920
yeah and they uh basically created a

1254
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:03,839
ghost they would meet once a week or

1255
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:06,160
whatever they would talk about how he

1256
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:08,240
was what he used to be the things he did

1257
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:10,720
and then it started manifesting

1258
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:12,720
and then another story that i like to

1259
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:15,839
point to is um

1260
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:18,079
walter gibson the guy that wrote the old

1261
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:20,720
shadow mysteries for radio and the pulp

1262
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:22,720
magazine or the shadow nose

1263
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:24,640
that sort of thing well in his apartment

1264
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:26,720
in greenwich village new york

1265
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:27,520
uh

1266
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:30,160
people started seeing

1267
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:32,319
lamont cranston which was the the name

1268
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:34,720
of the person that the shadow was you

1269
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:36,480
know like batman was bruce wayne right

1270
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:38,079
the shadow was this guy named lebon

1271
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:40,640
cranston i always wore a overcoat with a

1272
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:42,319
collar turned up in a slot chat and a

1273
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:45,119
red scarf well people started seeing

1274
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:47,760
this thing in his apartment he was

1275
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:49,040
having dinner

1276
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:50,960
one night and up in the the galley above

1277
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:52,400
the uh

1278
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:54,400
the gallery rather above the the dining

1279
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:56,720
area they saw the guy in the on the

1280
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:58,720
walkway and they're like oh great what'd

1281
00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:01,040
you do hire somebody to uh to dress up

1282
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:02,800
like the shadow and he said no that just

1283
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:04,560
started showing up here

1284
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,240
and for those that don't know a lot

1285
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:08,079
about walter gibson

1286
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:10,240
this is a man who had like six

1287
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:12,800
typewriters set up and he would write go

1288
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:14,800
from one to the other to the other he

1289
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:16,560
wrote hundreds and hundreds of those

1290
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:18,400
radio scripts and stories from the pulp

1291
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:20,480
magazines and stuff and that's what he

1292
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:22,720
said he said it's a thought form

1293
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,119
that i created i sat here and i put all

1294
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:27,359
this emotion and toil and literally

1295
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:29,680
blood sweat and tears into these stories

1296
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:32,560
and it manifested without me meaning to

1297
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:34,400
do that well you know

1298
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:36,640
that was my premise for the book uh the

1299
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:39,599
book's titled the mean humanoids and uh

1300
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:42,400
i uh i that was the one the overriding

1301
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:44,160
theory that a lot of these pale or

1302
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:46,319
crawler humanoids were thought-form

1303
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:49,760
manifestations yeah and uh

1304
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:52,319
you know it is funny that all people are

1305
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:54,079
seeing these things all of a sudden yeah

1306
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:55,599
as opposed to what they have been seeing

1307
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:57,119
before and i believe that can happen and

1308
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:58,480
that that's one reason i didn't talk

1309
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:00,000
about the black black-eyed kids i didn't

1310
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,560
want them to come back

1311
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:04,400
well but then a part of me would like to

1312
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:05,920
see me and i would like to see him again

1313
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:06,720
now

1314
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:09,680
like after this many years and then see

1315
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:11,599
if it would still be the same if i would

1316
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:14,720
still feel the same or still but part of

1317
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:18,000
me thinks yeah i probably would so

1318
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:19,440
so yes or no

1319
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:22,160
somebody asked about the um

1320
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,800
uh about the brown mountain lights and

1321
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,880
uh you have seen them oh yeah i've seen

1322
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:28,400
them several times

1323
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:30,079
probably oh

1324
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:31,760
a half dozen or so when i lived in the

1325
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:33,680
area i went over there every chance i i

1326
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:34,480
got

1327
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:37,680
and they never failed to uh appear now

1328
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:39,359
sometimes they were more brilliant than

1329
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:41,760
others sometimes the the light show or

1330
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:43,359
whatever you want to call it lasted

1331
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:45,839
longer but i saw him every time i was

1332
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,760
there the first time

1333
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:49,680
i saw him like in the wooded area i was

1334
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:52,560
on the overlook there at wiseman's gorge

1335
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:54,640
uh there's a pull-off on the side of the

1336
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:56,400
road i was on the other side of that

1337
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,079
it's hard to get to

1338
00:47:02,390 --> 00:47:00,480
a gravel road that goes back in there

1339
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:02,400
it's got a really good view of the whole

1340
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:04,400
gorge there in the overlook

1341
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:06,560
and first it looked like

1342
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:08,560
almost like a fluorescent lantern like

1343
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:10,480
somebody was holding a lantern and

1344
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:11,920
running through the trees and i thought

1345
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:14,160
yeah i don't know that's no big deal but

1346
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:16,160
then the next day i went up there early

1347
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:18,560
before it got dark and the area where

1348
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:20,480
i'd observed the lights was literally on

1349
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:23,280
a sheer cliff face almost with some of

1350
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:25,359
the outcroppings there was trees growing

1351
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:28,000
up off the rocks there was no way any

1352
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:29,440
person could have even got to where

1353
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:32,400
those trees were let alone run through

1354
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:34,000
and then other times i've seen them come

1355
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,400
up over the mountain and fly across the

1356
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:38,640
gorge there come over your head

1357
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:40,480
sometimes they'll start out as one it'll

1358
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:42,800
split into two or three they'll change

1359
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:44,480
color then they'll go back together then

1360
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:45,839
they're just gone

1361
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:47,920
uh some i've had them come relatively

1362
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:50,079
close and then just wink out

1363
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:52,000
it's strange and they've done all kinds

1364
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:53,760
of studies have been done there no unc

1365
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:56,240
went over there seismologists thought oh

1366
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:58,640
it's the tectonic plate shifting or the

1367
00:48:01,750 --> 00:48:00,319
old swamp gas you know that one's been

1368
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:01,760
trotted out but

1369
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:03,680
uh another common theory is oh well it's

1370
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:05,599
headlights of cars from

1371
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:07,599
but they were seeing those lights in

1372
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,280
there before there were any cars or

1373
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:11,280
trains or anything in those mountains

1374
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:13,359
yeah the legend is that there was two

1375
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:16,000
different tribes that were warring there

1376
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:18,079
and that's the ghost of those braves

1377
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:20,079
that you see and then there's another

1378
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,520
story that's similar to that where

1379
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,200
one indian maiden wanted to marry

1380
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:27,839
outside of her tribe and uh she was

1381
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:29,599
murdered for that and then the the guy

1382
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:31,760
she wanted to marry was murdered too and

1383
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:33,920
that's their spirits in there looking

1384
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:36,079
for vengeance but whatever it is

1385
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:38,800
whichever legend you want to believe or

1386
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:40,640
it's creepy and it's but it's a good

1387
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:42,160
kind of creepy i didn't get anything

1388
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:44,480
evil or bad off those it was just

1389
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:47,200
kind of cool to sit there and watch that

1390
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:48,720
yeah my uh

1391
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:51,680
my associate butch wikowski spent time

1392
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,760
down there and he was um

1393
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:55,440
he wasn't really sure what it was but he

1394
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,640
did see it

1395
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:58,480
and you know i've talked to

1396
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:01,280
a lot of people who well known to have

1397
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:03,599
seen this as well so i mean do you think

1398
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:06,079
it's more natural than supernatural or

1399
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:08,720
what what do you think well it it's

1400
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:10,400
natural kind of an appearance i've seen

1401
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:11,760
ball lightning and stuff like that

1402
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:12,720
before

1403
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:14,480
it's it kind of reminds me of that

1404
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:17,119
except it's a lot higher up

1405
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:20,319
uh but the way it behaves it it appears

1406
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:21,280
to be

1407
00:49:25,589 --> 00:49:23,599
under some sort of

1408
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:25,599
remote control if you will or there's

1409
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:27,440
there's something because you know it it

1410
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:28,960
flies this way and then they come back

1411
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:30,400
together and then it'll wink out and

1412
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:33,839
then come back on and it appears to have

1413
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:36,079
some intelligence or at least an

1414
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:38,160
intelligence that's controlling it if

1415
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:40,240
you will

1416
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:42,160
so

1417
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:45,920
butch butch was a legend and uh

1418
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:48,160
certainly miss butch a lot

1419
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:50,079
i think he always had some some great

1420
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:51,920
stories

1421
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:54,079
um i've heard some stuff recently i want

1422
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:55,920
to see if you've heard any of these had

1423
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:58,559
a friend over in vancouver

1424
00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:59,920
washington

1425
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:01,920
that she witnessed what she described as

1426
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:04,640
a praying mantis that was taller than

1427
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,280
she was she was outside smoking just a

1428
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:09,599
regular cigarette and

1429
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:11,599
something was coming between her in the

1430
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:13,920
street light and she looked over and it

1431
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:16,400
was a praying mantis but she said one

1432
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:19,200
almost as tall as the streetlight and

1433
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:20,720
she ran in the house to get a camera and

1434
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:22,880
of course came out and it was gone

1435
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:25,280
and then i heard not too long ago of

1436
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:27,280
what was described as a roach man have

1437
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:28,880
you ever heard that one like that's what

1438
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:31,680
i haven't heard of cockroach human-sized

1439
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:32,880
bipedal

1440
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:35,839
now that's again you know

1441
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:37,119
that sounds like something out of the

1442
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:40,559
men in black movie

1443
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:42,880
but a roach man you know when you think

1444
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:45,440
about that if whatever is out there if

1445
00:50:49,829 --> 00:50:47,440
it is a shape shifter or something like

1446
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:49,839
that it can take on any form

1447
00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:51,920
and uh again you know with the

1448
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:53,920
you've got the black the men in black

1449
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,359
you've got the black-eyed kids you've

1450
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:58,079
got the phantom clowns you know maybe

1451
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:00,079
whatever it is if it's sin and things

1452
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:02,319
like that this cosmic trickster

1453
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:04,000
prankster or whatever maybe they're

1454
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:05,520
trying different things and maybe it's

1455
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:06,720
the ones

1456
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:08,160
that you haven't heard of that's the

1457
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:09,920
ones that got through

1458
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:12,400
and i said one time if there's ever

1459
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:15,040
black eyed bikini models with uh pizza

1460
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:16,800
and metal albums you'll never see me

1461
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:18,800
again

1462
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:20,160
they come to my door hey come on in

1463
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:24,559
ladies let's party uh i have had

1464
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:27,119
i've had a lot of reports of insectoid

1465
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:29,200
or mantid like beings

1466
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:30,319
uh and

1467
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:32,960
actually in a lot of the abduction cases

1468
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:33,839
where

1469
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:36,640
these things seem to be part of the uh

1470
00:51:41,109 --> 00:51:38,400
the whole scenario

1471
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:41,119
within several different types of races

1472
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:43,359
uh that they seem to be the hierarchy or

1473
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:45,119
the one running the show

1474
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:48,240
and of course uh down in over in new

1475
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:50,000
jersey

1476
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:51,680
we did the investigation with some of

1477
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:53,599
those mantid sightings and insectoid

1478
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:55,760
sightings over there so it's something

1479
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:57,920
that does raise its ugly head every once

1480
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:00,720
in a while but we do get them yeah

1481
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:02,960
now the roach man apparently it wasn't

1482
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:05,760
as big as a normal human but it was

1483
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:08,319
human size like maybe four feet tall it

1484
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:10,319
skidded around and then it stood up it

1485
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:11,520
was like

1486
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:13,839
running on its hind feet or signed legs

1487
00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:16,559
or whatever a roach has i don't

1488
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:17,920
but that would be frightening just in

1489
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:20,240
and of itself i mean you go to florida

1490
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:21,760
those palmetto bugs those things are

1491
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:23,520
huge and they'll fly right off

1492
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:25,520
so i can imagine you know a four foot

1493
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:27,599
tall roach that would be pretty scary

1494
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:30,000
four foot tall any kind of insect like

1495
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:31,520
you're talking about the

1496
00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:32,559
the uh

1497
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:35,359
the spiders as big as cats yeah i think

1498
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:37,440
that's the thing sometimes just the

1499
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:39,440
sheer size of it even something like

1500
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:41,920
praying mantises are weird and creepy

1501
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:44,000
but if if one was as tall as you were

1502
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,760
that would but she said it had the the

1503
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:48,000
classic prairie menace eyes and it kind

1504
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:49,440
of swiveled its head around and looked

1505
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:51,119
at her and she ran into the house but it

1506
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:52,000
had the

1507
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:55,040
you know the little praying hands there

1508
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:57,359
and she swears that she was totally

1509
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:58,800
sober hadn't drank anything hadn't

1510
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:00,880
smoked anything it was just a regular

1511
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:02,880
cigarette and i'm inclined to believe

1512
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:04,319
her i mean she saw something there was

1513
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:06,880
just there was a genuineness in the way

1514
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:09,280
she told it and sort of a

1515
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:11,599
reticence to to really talk about she

1516
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:13,359
said i'm going to tell you something but

1517
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,280
don't judge me and i'm like you know

1518
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:17,040
this and that i give everybody the

1519
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:19,119
benefit of the doubt just

1520
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:20,640
stuff that i've seen that i've

1521
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:22,480
experienced people would think i was

1522
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:24,480
crazy so absolutely you know that's

1523
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:26,640
that's why on the missing persons of

1524
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:28,319
mysteries channel we do a feature called

1525
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:29,760
listener stories

1526
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:31,119
where it's

1527
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,839
we kind of depart from the the

1528
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:35,359
national park disappearances and the

1529
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:36,880
missing kids and stuff like that which

1530
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:39,280
is our main focus and always will be if

1531
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:41,920
we can get one family closure or bring

1532
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:43,760
one missing person home then we've done

1533
00:53:49,349 --> 00:53:46,720
our job but occasionally uh people like

1534
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:49,359
to talk about these uh

1535
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:51,040
supernatural experiences they've had

1536
00:53:55,829 --> 00:53:53,200
that's one of our most popular series on

1537
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:55,839
there we get some fascinating stories of

1538
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:57,839
stuff that that people have seen and

1539
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:59,760
experienced and then you know we get

1540
00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:00,960
people in the comments like i don't

1541
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:02,960
believe this or they're making it up and

1542
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:06,319
again based on what i've seen myself i'm

1543
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:07,839
not going to judge anybody i've seen

1544
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:10,800
stuff feel like i had kids i've seen

1545
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:13,440
uh the i saw the first full body

1546
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,040
apparition uh

1547
00:54:20,069 --> 00:54:17,280
between five and six years old

1548
00:54:22,829 --> 00:54:20,079
i had something chased me in the woods

1549
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:22,839
that was invisible that was the second

1550
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:24,160
time that's the

1551
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:25,520
most scared

1552
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:28,160
um it was kicking up leaves i could feel

1553
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:29,839
the footfalls i mean it was shaking the

1554
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:32,240
earth it was bending tree branches much

1555
00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:34,079
higher than my eight-year-old head but

1556
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:35,839
there was nothing there and it was after

1557
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:38,559
me it was coming right at me and he got

1558
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:41,440
me again there we go and uh

1559
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:43,839
i ran screaming down the hill we had 25

1560
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:46,640
acres out in rural east tennessee

1561
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:48,240
and there was an old ditch there i was

1562
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:50,079
playing in the ditch or that just walked

1563
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:52,319
up and looked into the ditch and what it

1564
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:53,920
was came running up out of the ditch and

1565
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:56,000
right at me i ran screaming down the

1566
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:57,599
hill making such a racket my mom came

1567
00:55:01,750 --> 00:55:00,000
out the back door on the porch to see

1568
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:01,760
all the fuss was i passed her up went

1569
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:04,400
inside and get under the furniture then

1570
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:06,079
when my dad got home from work my

1571
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:08,000
brother had stopped by and they're like

1572
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:09,680
you know was it a bear was it this was

1573
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:11,119
it that i'm like no i know what all

1574
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:12,640
those i know what a deer looked like i

1575
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:14,319
knew what a bear looked like you can see

1576
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:16,240
all those things whatever this was i

1577
00:55:19,750 --> 00:55:17,520
couldn't see it

1578
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:19,760
eight years old well flash forward seven

1579
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:21,680
years later i'm 15 we'd sold our

1580
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:23,040
property we're getting ready to move a

1581
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:24,640
few miles up the road

1582
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:26,000
to a new house we'd had building a

1583
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:27,599
subdivision and i was just kind of

1584
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:29,200
wandering around my old childhood haunts

1585
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:30,480
because i'd never been back up there

1586
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:32,240
again since that

1587
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:34,160
and i walked back up there to where the

1588
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:35,680
ditch was and i'm just kind of looking

1589
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:37,280
down in there and thinking

1590
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:39,040
what that was that scared me when i was

1591
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:40,079
a kid

1592
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:42,319
as i turned to walk away i hear the

1593
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:44,720
leaves rustled just like seven years

1594
00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:47,280
prior i turned around something came up

1595
00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:48,559
out of the ditch that i couldn't see

1596
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:50,000
it's shaking the ground the tree

1597
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:52,400
branches are are breaking and moving

1598
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:54,400
leaves are kicking up i didn't run

1599
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:56,000
screaming and crying but i didn't waste

1600
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:58,960
any time getting out there

1601
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:00,400
there's even more to this story that's

1602
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:02,480
the last time i was ever there well fast

1603
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:04,720
forward another six years 21 years old

1604
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:07,040
at this point i'm working in west

1605
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:09,839
knoxville uh waiting tables and a guy

1606
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:11,760
that i just knew from work and didn't

1607
00:56:15,829 --> 00:56:13,520
even really know him that well at work

1608
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:15,839
invited me to a party after work so i go

1609
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:17,520
to this party don't know anybody there

1610
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:18,960
but the guy that i came with and don't

1611
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:20,400
really even know him

1612
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:22,000
well some of the girls there found a

1613
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:24,160
ouija board under the couch

1614
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:25,599
so they get it out and they're playing

1615
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:27,040
with it and they're going around the

1616
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:29,040
room asking people questions

1617
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:31,119
when they get to me i thought okay

1618
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:33,520
i said what scared me when i was a kid

1619
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:35,440
that's all it said no backstory didn't

1620
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:37,440
give any hint of anything just those

1621
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:38,400
words

1622
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:41,040
and like i said nobody there knew me and

1623
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:42,480
except for the one guy and he'd never

1624
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:44,880
heard that story so the ouija board you

1625
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:47,200
know it does its thing and it spells out

1626
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:54,630
so girls look at me i just shrug my

1627
00:56:57,750 --> 00:56:56,480
shoulder in there like laugh and say oh

1628
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:57,760
well the board's thirsty it wants a

1629
00:57:00,950 --> 00:57:00,160
sprite or wants a glass of water like

1630
00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:00,960
okay

1631
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:02,480
then they went on to somebody else and

1632
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:04,640
nothing else was said but i you know

1633
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:07,359
water sprite okay so this is in the days

1634
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:09,680
before the internet this is in the early

1635
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:12,559
80s i went to the library and the big

1636
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:13,839
library downtown went up to the

1637
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:15,520
reference librarian and said what can

1638
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:17,440
you tell me about a water sprite or a

1639
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:18,799
water spirit

1640
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:20,480
well she goes off and does her reference

1641
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:21,920
library and thing comes back to this big

1642
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:23,359
stack of books

1643
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:25,760
and she's got all this mythology stuff

1644
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:28,640
about the fae and elementals and there

1645
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:31,440
are types of creatures called a naiad

1646
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:34,319
which is a spirit that guards the water

1647
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:35,920
and then dryads which are spirits that

1648
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:37,680
guards the trees well where we live

1649
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:40,319
there on this 25 or so acres there were

1650
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:43,040
seven natural springs uh six of them

1651
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:44,480
came out of hillsides one of them was

1652
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:46,640
artesian came up out of the ground so

1653
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:48,880
what better place for a water spirit

1654
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:50,400
than some place where there's seven

1655
00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:52,240
springs that flowed

1656
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:54,160
down into used to be the river it was

1657
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:55,920
the lake at that point they dammed up

1658
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:58,559
the lake and made a river

1659
00:58:02,630 --> 00:58:01,440
but you know you think of a nymph or

1660
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:02,640
something like that as being like

1661
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:03,839
tinkerbell you know a little thing

1662
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:05,920
fluttering around on gossamer wings and

1663
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:07,599
slinging pixie dust but whatever this

1664
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:09,839
was was huge i mean i could feel the

1665
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:12,079
ground shake when it was stomping toward

1666
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:13,200
me

1667
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:14,079
and

1668
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:16,640
again if that's what it was why did it

1669
00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:18,640
go after me because after the first the

1670
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:20,880
very first experience my dad my brother

1671
00:58:25,109 --> 00:58:22,400
went up there they could see where it

1672
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:25,119
had been but nothing chased them i even

1673
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:26,799
conned one of the

1674
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:28,160
kids that came home with me from school

1675
00:58:32,069 --> 00:58:30,160
one time i'm like i'm gonna stand here

1676
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:32,079
behind this tree you go up there and

1677
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:34,799
stand by the ditch and see what happens

1678
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:36,400
he did he's just like looking around

1679
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:38,720
nothing happens so whatever it was it

1680
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:39,680
was

1681
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:41,920
meant for me to see or it didn't like me

1682
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:45,119
or it was something personal with me

1683
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:46,720
which happened twice

1684
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:48,720
uh seven years apart and then for a

1685
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:51,440
ouija board with people operating it

1686
00:58:54,069 --> 00:58:53,119
that knew absolutely nothing about my

1687
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:54,079
history

1688
00:58:56,950 --> 00:58:55,920
to come up with something like that

1689
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:56,960
mm-hmm

1690
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:58,880
and i think i think many of us are

1691
00:59:02,150 --> 00:59:01,040
pre-destined to see a lot of this stuff

1692
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:02,160
yeah well that's what my grandmother

1693
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:03,359
told me this was the one that was a

1694
00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:04,559
gypsy witch

1695
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:06,400
uh i told her about the apparition that

1696
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:08,640
i saw which was a little boy that

1697
00:59:13,510 --> 00:59:11,280
uh ran across the road like at a caddy

1698
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:13,520
corner came from behind a car that was

1699
00:59:16,950 --> 00:59:15,520
stopped at a stop sign and it was

1700
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:16,960
obvious that the driver didn't see him

1701
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:18,720
because he was looking a different way

1702
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:19,920
and i thought that kid's going to get

1703
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:21,119
run over

1704
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:23,680
and i was only i was between five and

1705
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:24,640
six

1706
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:26,880
and the kid he was a toddler

1707
00:59:31,349 --> 00:59:29,359
and you've had know how little kids just

1708
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:31,359
barely mastered walking sometimes

1709
00:59:34,150 --> 00:59:32,640
they'll start running and they don't

1710
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:34,160
really know how to stop and they just

1711
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:35,920
fall down well that's what happened the

1712
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:38,400
kid comes out from behind this car

1713
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:40,480
runs across in front of at an angle down

1714
00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:43,040
into our yard gets maybe three or four

1715
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:44,000
steps

1716
00:59:48,069 --> 00:59:45,040
falls

1717
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:48,079
gone nothing nothing and uh our driveway

1718
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:50,880
was exactly 212 feet long i measured it

1719
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:52,000
later for

1720
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:54,640
bicycle sprint purposes but i was about

1721
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:56,400
halfway in the yard so i was within 100

1722
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:58,400
feet of where this happened did not take

1723
01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:00,640
my eyes off the spot went right to it

1724
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:03,119
there was no hole no place that a child

1725
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:05,440
could have fallen into nothing that i

1726
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:08,000
could have mistaken for a child running

1727
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:09,839
i mean i know exactly what i saw i can

1728
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:11,760
still tell you what he was wearing this

1729
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,480
was in the 60s he had on little blue

1730
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:16,799
shorts with suspenders white shirt

1731
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:19,040
matching blue cap those little white

1732
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:20,960
shoes and socks like kids wore back then

1733
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:23,440
like almost little uh

1734
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:24,480
leather

1735
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:26,319
not quite an oxford shoe something like

1736
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:29,040
that but kid shoes that they wore

1737
01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:32,160
and he just he blonde headed ran fell

1738
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:33,040
gone

1739
01:00:37,109 --> 01:00:34,559
and i don't know if it was something

1740
01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:37,119
that was attached to the car like maybe

1741
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:38,400
there was a

1742
01:00:41,430 --> 01:00:40,079
the remains of a kid in the trunk or

1743
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:41,440
something because i didn't recognize the

1744
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:43,599
car and that was a dead end into the

1745
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:45,760
lake where it was going

1746
01:00:49,349 --> 01:00:47,520
and but the person in the car didn't

1747
01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:49,359
register that they had seen it at all

1748
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:51,040
and years later i told my grandmother

1749
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:52,880
about that and she said well you'll see

1750
01:00:56,150 --> 01:00:53,760
things

1751
01:00:58,069 --> 01:00:56,160
she said sometimes it's meant for you

1752
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:58,079
sometimes it's meant for other people

1753
01:01:02,150 --> 01:01:00,000
but you can see it too

1754
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:02,160
now that was just you know very cryptic

1755
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:03,839
but that was the way she looked at

1756
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:05,040
things and

1757
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:08,880
uh to me or to her i was special

1758
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:11,520
she had ten kids nine boys and my mother

1759
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:13,680
being the only girl and out of all the

1760
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:16,079
grandkids and she had a lot of grandkids

1761
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:17,920
i was the one born with what they they

1762
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:19,680
call a veil one with a veil over your

1763
01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:22,319
face or call all it is the amniotic sac

1764
01:01:26,069 --> 01:01:24,160
they had to cut it off of me when i was

1765
01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:26,079
born well my grandmother was present for

1766
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:27,680
the birth in her

1767
01:01:32,470 --> 01:01:30,000
appalachian superstitious mind that

1768
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:32,480
marked me as a special child so she

1769
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:34,480
would get me alone when i went to her

1770
01:01:38,950 --> 01:01:36,559
house and teach me all these things you

1771
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:38,960
know about her fortune telling and about

1772
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:41,599
superstitions and how to avoid bad luck

1773
01:01:45,670 --> 01:01:44,000
and things to do if you did this and

1774
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:45,680
and you'll just fill my head for all

1775
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:47,359
kinds of stuff like that

1776
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:49,119
and i was actually afraid of her when i

1777
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:52,880
was little she looked like a witch

1778
01:01:56,549 --> 01:01:54,559
i was scared to death over and she'd

1779
01:01:58,870 --> 01:01:56,559
take me she had a big old victorian

1780
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:58,880
farmhouse and she had a room set aside

1781
01:02:03,349 --> 01:02:00,720
for quilting her and

1782
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:03,359
one of my aunts would sit and

1783
01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:04,480
cut

1784
01:02:08,309 --> 01:02:06,799
out pieces to piece together quilts

1785
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:08,319
they'd cut the pieces all summer and

1786
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:10,240
then in the winter time they'd sit in

1787
01:02:13,589 --> 01:02:12,000
this old dining room and put quilts

1788
01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:13,599
together well she'd take me into her

1789
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:15,119
sewing room and it was dark in there and

1790
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:16,319
had the

1791
01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:18,000
the blinds closed and everything the

1792
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:20,079
drapes closed and she'd tell me all this

1793
01:02:23,829 --> 01:02:21,839
stuff and make me repeat it back to her

1794
01:02:26,069 --> 01:02:23,839
no no what do you do if you see this or

1795
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:26,079
hear this or you know what if a chicken

1796
01:02:29,349 --> 01:02:27,599
lays an egg with a double yolk you know

1797
01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:29,359
you got to throw it over the house well

1798
01:02:32,069 --> 01:02:30,640
if you don't think you can make it over

1799
01:02:33,829 --> 01:02:32,079
the house take it down to your uncle's

1800
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:33,839
house and throw it over his because he's

1801
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:36,880
only got one story i'm thinking you know

1802
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:38,880
that doesn't make sense

1803
01:02:43,029 --> 01:02:41,440
but it's just little stuff like that and

1804
01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:43,039
like i said i'd repeat it back to her

1805
01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:44,799
just to get away from her but she would

1806
01:02:48,309 --> 01:02:46,240
reward me usually like with a hershey

1807
01:02:49,990 --> 01:02:48,319
bar or sometimes a crisp new dollar bill

1808
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:50,000
to be like i don't tell the others

1809
01:02:52,470 --> 01:02:51,520
because i had other cousins that lived

1810
01:02:55,029 --> 01:02:52,480
nearby

1811
01:02:56,390 --> 01:02:55,039
but the one time she really got me good

1812
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:56,400
we were on the way to her house and

1813
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:57,680
there was an area where we had to go

1814
01:03:01,190 --> 01:02:59,200
there she lived in a place called powell

1815
01:03:03,510 --> 01:03:01,200
tennessee and we had to drive through

1816
01:03:05,349 --> 01:03:03,520
the carns community well one place there

1817
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:05,359
where you had to pass there on beaver

1818
01:03:10,309 --> 01:03:06,799
creek drive

1819
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:10,319
there at that point see the beaver creek

1820
01:03:15,430 --> 01:03:12,640
drive or uh it turns into something else

1821
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:15,440
there but there's a farmhouse there

1822
01:03:19,109 --> 01:03:16,880
and uh

1823
01:03:21,190 --> 01:03:19,119
several years before some kids that

1824
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:21,200
lived there were playing ball out in the

1825
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:23,680
yard and one of the kids chased the ball

1826
01:03:27,670 --> 01:03:25,680
down the hill and out into the road and

1827
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:27,680
got hit by a car and died

1828
01:03:32,069 --> 01:03:30,400
and i i knew the story but i could feel

1829
01:03:34,390 --> 01:03:32,079
that's place it just

1830
01:03:36,789 --> 01:03:34,400
it would do something to me one night we

1831
01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:36,799
were we were going to see her and this

1832
01:03:41,510 --> 01:03:40,319
it was uh early 70s so i wasn't wearing

1833
01:03:43,109 --> 01:03:41,520
a seat belt or anything i was laying

1834
01:03:45,829 --> 01:03:43,119
down in the back seat reading the comic

1835
01:03:47,990 --> 01:03:45,839
book and i just felt this little

1836
01:03:50,549 --> 01:03:48,000
kind of chill or quiver now i call it my

1837
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:50,559
granny senses but i just just felt

1838
01:03:54,390 --> 01:03:52,079
something i sat up sure enough we were

1839
01:03:55,349 --> 01:03:54,400
passing by that place where that kid got

1840
01:03:56,470 --> 01:03:55,359
killed

1841
01:04:00,549 --> 01:03:56,480
and uh

1842
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:01,750
she didn't talk to her and i didn't say

1843
01:04:05,029 --> 01:04:03,280
anything to my mom and dad i didn't even

1844
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:05,039
mention it i hadn't said a word about it

1845
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:06,880
to anybody well she takes me into the

1846
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:08,160
sewing room and

1847
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:10,400
and she was i forget what the lesson was

1848
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:12,960
that time but she said you you feel and

1849
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:14,000
i thought you meant you know you have

1850
01:04:18,069 --> 01:04:15,520
feelings and i thought yeah well stuff

1851
01:04:20,549 --> 01:04:18,079
bothers me and i'm you know have empathy

1852
01:04:23,589 --> 01:04:20,559
and sympathy and stuff and she said no i

1853
01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:23,599
mean you feel things like that spot in

1854
01:04:27,670 --> 01:04:25,359
the high on the highway on the way here

1855
01:04:29,430 --> 01:04:27,680
tonight and i just you know my mouth

1856
01:04:32,069 --> 01:04:29,440
fell up and i'm like

1857
01:04:33,750 --> 01:04:32,079
i was maybe seven or eight years old

1858
01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:33,760
like she can read my mind you know that

1859
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:35,200
scared the crap out of me like my

1860
01:04:40,950 --> 01:04:38,400
grandma's in my head get out of there

1861
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:40,960
she would know stuff like that that she

1862
01:04:45,190 --> 01:04:42,960
had no way of knowing

1863
01:04:46,789 --> 01:04:45,200
yeah you know i i can relate because i

1864
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:46,799
was raised around

1865
01:04:52,309 --> 01:04:49,200
pow-wowing and uh

1866
01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:52,319
you know uh appalachian conjuring and

1867
01:04:58,470 --> 01:04:54,240
folk medicine and stuff and uh

1868
01:05:00,069 --> 01:04:58,480
absolutely yeah um it's interesting

1869
01:05:02,789 --> 01:05:00,079
but i'm the only person in my family

1870
01:05:04,470 --> 01:05:02,799
that i believe had some abilities and

1871
01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:04,480
and i never really talked to my parents

1872
01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:06,000
about any of that yeah well my

1873
01:05:09,910 --> 01:05:08,240
grandmother had it and my mom did to

1874
01:05:12,309 --> 01:05:09,920
just a tiny degree it seemed to kind of

1875
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:12,319
skip the generation yeah and then i got

1876
01:05:16,950 --> 01:05:14,880
a lot of it my daughter has just a

1877
01:05:18,950 --> 01:05:16,960
little bit so i think if she ever has

1878
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:18,960
children that they'll have some of it it

1879
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:20,640
likes just sometimes a couple of

1880
01:05:25,109 --> 01:05:23,760
generations like that but uh yeah the

1881
01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:25,119
one of the strangest things she used to

1882
01:05:28,710 --> 01:05:26,720
do though they

1883
01:05:31,270 --> 01:05:28,720
uh had a farm they had a dairy farm and

1884
01:05:33,349 --> 01:05:31,280
they also raised uh

1885
01:05:36,309 --> 01:05:33,359
they truck farmed with produce and stuff

1886
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:36,319
and they also raised raise their own

1887
01:05:41,109 --> 01:05:38,640
meat and stuff and in the fall

1888
01:05:43,589 --> 01:05:41,119
when they would butcher hogs she would

1889
01:05:45,589 --> 01:05:43,599
pick out one hog and say that that was

1890
01:05:48,549 --> 01:05:45,599
hers and when they butchered that one

1891
01:05:51,029 --> 01:05:48,559
she would poke around in its innards

1892
01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:51,039
with a stick and tell them what kind of

1893
01:05:53,589 --> 01:05:52,480
uh

1894
01:05:55,349 --> 01:05:53,599
year they were going to have the next

1895
01:05:56,950 --> 01:05:55,359
year in crops well you know the corn

1896
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:56,960
won't do so good that tobacco will do

1897
01:06:00,870 --> 01:05:59,039
good and things like that and my uncle's

1898
01:06:02,950 --> 01:06:00,880
swear she was

1899
01:06:05,430 --> 01:06:02,960
as accurate if not more so than the old

1900
01:06:08,069 --> 01:06:05,440
farmer's almanac and they they literally

1901
01:06:10,630 --> 01:06:08,079
they lived and died by that right and

1902
01:06:13,270 --> 01:06:10,640
then later on i i guess i'd never heard

1903
01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:13,280
of any such nonsense like that and then

1904
01:06:17,109 --> 01:06:15,200
i was reading a book about the vikings

1905
01:06:19,029 --> 01:06:17,119
of all things and it talked about before

1906
01:06:21,990 --> 01:06:19,039
they would go into battle they would

1907
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:22,000
sacrifice an animal in their their magi

1908
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:24,480
or their wizard or whoever their

1909
01:06:28,950 --> 01:06:26,880
uh person of that sort was that they had

1910
01:06:31,109 --> 01:06:28,960
with their their entourage there he

1911
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:31,119
would study the entrails and then

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01:06:34,950 --> 01:06:32,960
predict how they would be victorious in

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01:06:35,670 --> 01:06:34,960
battle and things like that so you know

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01:06:37,990 --> 01:06:35,680
so

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01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:38,000
how she learned to do it i have no idea

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01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:40,400
same well like with the the tea leaves

1917
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:42,400
and the coffee grounds that's just

1918
01:06:47,029 --> 01:06:44,880
almost like a form of scrying or looking

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01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:47,039
at the clouds and seeing shapes you know

1920
01:06:50,390 --> 01:06:48,480
she'd have the person drink the coffee

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01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:50,400
and then you dump the the grounds out

1922
01:06:54,309 --> 01:06:52,640
and you know i see uh

1923
01:06:56,789 --> 01:06:54,319
travel in your future because that looks

1924
01:06:58,549 --> 01:06:56,799
like a ship or you know that looks like

1925
01:07:00,710 --> 01:06:58,559
and then she claims that one time she

1926
01:07:02,069 --> 01:07:00,720
saw she flipped it over and it looked

1927
01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:02,079
like a skull

1928
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:04,079
and she sort of lied to the person said

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01:07:07,589 --> 01:07:06,160
well just i don't really see anything

1930
01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:07,599
but be careful

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01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:10,160
and the person died shortly there oh god

1932
01:07:13,589 --> 01:07:11,760
and she's like you know she's all she

1933
01:07:14,950 --> 01:07:13,599
said i always hated that i should have

1934
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:14,960
told him a little bit more but she's

1935
01:07:17,829 --> 01:07:16,880
like i didn't want to scare him

1936
01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:17,839
but uh

1937
01:07:22,069 --> 01:07:20,000
she liked the old there's a deck of

1938
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:22,079
cards called gypsy witch

1939
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:23,839
fortune telling cards they've been

1940
01:07:28,150 --> 01:07:26,160
around since i think the 20s or so she

1941
01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:28,160
had a deck of those and they're based on

1942
01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:30,640
the um

1943
01:07:34,230 --> 01:07:32,559
i can't remember the name of the deck

1944
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:34,240
it's it's similar to terra but it's not

1945
01:07:37,510 --> 01:07:36,240
terrible she wouldn't touch the tarot

1946
01:07:39,349 --> 01:07:37,520
card she said there was an evil there

1947
01:07:41,190 --> 01:07:39,359
was a darkness about those uh leonard

1948
01:07:43,349 --> 01:07:41,200
mon that's what i was trying to think of

1949
01:07:44,950 --> 01:07:43,359
they're similar to the lenarmond cards

1950
01:07:46,150 --> 01:07:44,960
and sometimes she would make her own

1951
01:07:48,390 --> 01:07:46,160
she'd just take a regular deck of

1952
01:07:49,829 --> 01:07:48,400
playing cards and add images to them and

1953
01:07:53,349 --> 01:07:49,839
that's what she told

1954
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:53,359
uh cards with fortunes with with cards

1955
01:07:58,390 --> 01:07:56,400
and she also practiced um

1956
01:08:00,950 --> 01:07:58,400
for palmistry and then something called

1957
01:08:03,109 --> 01:08:00,960
phrenology which it was popular during

1958
01:08:05,109 --> 01:08:03,119
victorian times where you could feel the

1959
01:08:07,029 --> 01:08:05,119
bumps on a person's head

1960
01:08:09,589 --> 01:08:07,039
and tell them about their destiny and

1961
01:08:11,910 --> 01:08:09,599
things and i've actually

1962
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:11,920
seen some of the old uh

1963
01:08:15,109 --> 01:08:13,680
ceramic heads that they used to teach

1964
01:08:17,349 --> 01:08:15,119
that with with the different so that

1965
01:08:19,749 --> 01:08:17,359
parts of the head yeah that's

1966
01:08:21,829 --> 01:08:19,759
fascinating yeah so and you wonder i

1967
01:08:23,269 --> 01:08:21,839
mean how much truth there is to stuff

1968
01:08:25,269 --> 01:08:23,279
like that i mean it

1969
01:08:28,070 --> 01:08:25,279
it sounded right when she told it and

1970
01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:28,080
another one like that where she

1971
01:08:31,349 --> 01:08:29,520
knew something she didn't have any way

1972
01:08:32,709 --> 01:08:31,359
of knowing and i had the lady that this

1973
01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:32,719
happened to tell me about it when she

1974
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:34,640
was a teenager her and a couple other

1975
01:08:38,070 --> 01:08:36,000
girls were going to my grandmother to

1976
01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:38,080
get their fortunes told they had to walk

1977
01:08:42,149 --> 01:08:40,319
several miles to get to her house

1978
01:08:43,669 --> 01:08:42,159
and uh

1979
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:43,679
the the other two were really into it

1980
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:45,359
and the ones like i don't really believe

1981
01:08:49,349 --> 01:08:47,120
in all that i think it's just a bunch of

1982
01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:49,359
mumbo jumbo but i'll i'll let her tell

1983
01:08:52,709 --> 01:08:51,199
my fortune just so i can you know make

1984
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:52,719
fun of it and laugh at her behind her

1985
01:08:55,030 --> 01:08:53,679
back

1986
01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:55,040
well they get there they knock on the

1987
01:08:57,669 --> 01:08:56,560
door my grandma comes to the door like

1988
01:08:59,510 --> 01:08:57,679
we're here to

1989
01:09:01,910 --> 01:08:59,520
uh miss bessie that's what everybody

1990
01:09:03,829 --> 01:09:01,920
called her or just uh mama bessie so

1991
01:09:05,189 --> 01:09:03,839
we're here to get our fortunes told and

1992
01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:05,199
she looked up she said well i'll tell

1993
01:09:09,990 --> 01:09:07,600
yours and yours but i won't tell yours

1994
01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:10,000
because you don't believe in me

1995
01:09:13,110 --> 01:09:11,920
and the lady said you know just you

1996
01:09:14,789 --> 01:09:13,120
could have knocked me over with a

1997
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:14,799
feather there's no way she could have

1998
01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:15,600
heard

1999
01:09:19,749 --> 01:09:17,440
what i said where i said it because it

2000
01:09:22,149 --> 01:09:19,759
was miles away from her house but she

2001
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:22,159
would do that and again i don't know

2002
01:09:25,110 --> 01:09:24,239
some sort of sixth sense or some sort of

2003
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:25,120
uh

2004
01:09:29,030 --> 01:09:26,960
insight

2005
01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:29,040
but uh she always told me if

2006
01:09:32,950 --> 01:09:31,279
if you dream about something three times

2007
01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:32,960
pay attention to anything that happens

2008
01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:34,560
in theories pay attention but

2009
01:09:39,910 --> 01:09:36,239
particularly dreams and things like that

2010
01:09:44,309 --> 01:09:42,309
well steve it's been really fascinating

2011
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:44,319
this hour just flew by

2012
01:09:49,510 --> 01:09:46,159
10 minutes over i told you it's easy to

2013
01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:49,520
give me talk the hard part's getting up

2014
01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:51,520
well look i'm gonna have to have you

2015
01:09:56,790 --> 01:09:54,000
come back pretty much sooner than i did

2016
01:09:59,510 --> 01:09:56,800
this last time okay and uh if you don't

2017
01:10:02,550 --> 01:09:59,520
mind doing that and uh again i i really

2018
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:02,560
appreciate you coming on with me and uh

2019
01:10:06,070 --> 01:10:03,920
tell the folks how they can get in

2020
01:10:07,669 --> 01:10:06,080
contact with you uh well i've got the

2021
01:10:09,669 --> 01:10:07,679
youtube channel missing persons and

2022
01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:09,679
mysteries go check that out and it's

2023
01:10:13,750 --> 01:10:11,600
just what it sounds like that's mainly

2024
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:13,760
their main focus here is missing persons

2025
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:16,480
but we also look into uh other stuff

2026
01:10:22,390 --> 01:10:19,199
like today we had a video about uh route

2027
01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:22,400
666 the devil's highway the old uh it's

2028
01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:24,880
now us-421 i think it's a number through

2029
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:26,960
the four corners area a lot of weird

2030
01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:28,640
stuff has happened there especially when

2031
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:32,080
it was numbered 666. so we we cover

2032
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:33,760
stuff like that sometimes we'll stray a

2033
01:10:38,149 --> 01:10:35,760
little bit although the missing persons

2034
01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:38,159
is still our main focus

2035
01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:40,560
um my books are available on amazon and

2036
01:10:44,870 --> 01:10:42,080
wherever fine books are sold my

2037
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:44,880
publisher likes me to say that uh

2038
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:47,040
there's those five available now the

2039
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:48,000
national park mysteries and

2040
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:51,280
disappearances three volume sets so far

2041
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:53,280
there's going to be more than that and

2042
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:54,560
um

2043
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:57,600
the one that uh sandy and i uh my head

2044
01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:59,520
writer we're doing a book together about

2045
01:11:03,990 --> 01:11:01,440
the missing and murdering indigenous

2046
01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:04,000
women called spirited away that's also a

2047
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:06,480
video series on missing persons and

2048
01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:08,320
mysteries but as you well know there's

2049
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:10,480
certain things you can't say on youtube

2050
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:13,440
as far as descriptors and yeah so uh

2051
01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:15,920
some of those cases we're covering i'm

2052
01:11:19,189 --> 01:11:17,760
more in depth in the book

2053
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:19,199
because it unfortunately has to be that

2054
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:20,960
way because of youtube

2055
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:23,440
so uh check that out uh coming up i'm

2056
01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:26,400
gonna be at the uh

2057
01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:28,719
dogman encrypted conference in paris

2058
01:11:31,990 --> 01:11:30,719
tennessee that's in

2059
01:11:33,910 --> 01:11:32,000
august

2060
01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:33,920
don't remember the exact dates that's

2061
01:11:37,830 --> 01:11:36,560
going to be a lot of fun uh ken gerhart

2062
01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:37,840
jodie cook

2063
01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:40,640
martin nunley josh turner

2064
01:11:44,470 --> 01:11:42,880
uh some other other big names that

2065
01:11:46,149 --> 01:11:44,480
should be fascinating

2066
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:46,159
and then kind of switch it up a little

2067
01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:48,320
bit in october i'll be in auburn

2068
01:11:51,510 --> 01:11:49,440
washington

2069
01:11:53,910 --> 01:11:51,520
at the pacific northwest true crime

2070
01:11:55,830 --> 01:11:53,920
festival and we're going sandy and are

2071
01:11:58,709 --> 01:11:55,840
gonna present on the missing murdered

2072
01:12:01,110 --> 01:11:58,719
indigenous so i'm all over the place i

2073
01:12:03,510 --> 01:12:01,120
also have a personal channel 13 past

2074
01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:03,520
midnight that's more than the creepy

2075
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:06,000
stuff and i've narrated a lot of stories

2076
01:12:09,870 --> 01:12:07,679
from my books over there

2077
01:12:12,830 --> 01:12:09,880
and otherwise you can email me

2078
01:12:16,070 --> 01:12:12,840
stevestockton81 the numbers81

2079
01:12:18,310 --> 01:12:16,080
stevestockton81 gmail.com i love to hear

2080
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:18,320
from people love to hear your stories

2081
01:12:21,510 --> 01:12:19,440
if you want i can put them in a

2082
01:12:23,430 --> 01:12:21,520
listener's stories episode or i just

2083
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:23,440
like to read the stories i'm a

2084
01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:25,360
sympathetic ear because like i said i

2085
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:26,960
give everybody the benefit of the doubt

2086
01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:29,040
i believe i'm a believer and an

2087
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:31,360
experiencer so

2088
01:12:34,709 --> 01:12:32,880
hit me up

2089
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:34,719
well thanks again steve thanks for

2090
01:12:39,189 --> 01:12:36,960
having me online oh yeah i'm definitely

2091
01:12:40,950 --> 01:12:39,199
going to have you back on with me so uh

2092
01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:40,960
watch out for the roach man oh

2093
01:12:46,390 --> 01:12:43,199
absolutely

2094
01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:46,400
those fighters as big as calves

2095
01:12:50,149 --> 01:12:47,840
well you take it easy have a good

2096
01:12:51,590 --> 01:12:50,159
weekend and we'll talk soon all right

2097
01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:51,600
see a little further on down the trail

2098
01:12:56,630 --> 01:12:54,880
folks thanks for coming take care

2099
01:12:58,149 --> 01:12:56,640
now if you had an unexplained encounter

2100
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:58,159
or something feel free to contact me

2101
01:13:02,550 --> 01:13:00,480
through the fans of monsters blog site i

2102
01:13:04,950 --> 01:13:02,560
once again thank steve stockton for

2103
01:13:06,390 --> 01:13:04,960
joining me this evening and uh thanks to

2104
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:06,400
each and all you for watching and

2105
01:13:08,229 --> 01:13:07,440
chatting

2106
01:13:10,229 --> 01:13:08,239
uh

2107
01:13:13,030 --> 01:13:10,239
your support is what makes this possible

2108
01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:13,040
so please subscribe like and share

2109
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now if you've had a sighting or

2110
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:16,719
encounter report that you would like to

2111
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:19,840
be considered for the uh personal report

2112
01:13:25,830 --> 01:13:22,800
show or post it on phantoms of monsters

2113
01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:25,840
feel free to forward to my email at lawn

2114
01:13:31,430 --> 01:13:28,640
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2115
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:31,440
now next week we will be conducting a

2116
01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:33,840
ufo roundtable discussion

2117
01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:36,719
and my guest will be graeme rendell

2118
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:39,360
luke shanahan and mark fearing

2119
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:41,520
fiorentino

2120
01:13:48,149 --> 01:13:44,000
uh these guests will offer their unique

2121
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:48,159
commentary about the ufo uap phenomena

2122
01:13:52,070 --> 01:13:50,640
so make sure to join us next friday and

2123
01:13:54,229 --> 01:13:52,080
until next week

2124
01:14:04,330 --> 01:13:54,239
stay healthy and have a safe enjoyable